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I need to fix my reader's

jeervin — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:39:53 -0400

I need to fix my reader's feed settings, I know I am late responding to this one.

Using bundles in Eclipse's case is a natural, all post 3.0 Eclipse plugins are bundles, so a model or business logic component deployed as an OSGi bundle would just work.

I suppose your question should be, when will IntelliJ and Netbeans get with the program? Eclipse has since like 2002 I believe.

Regarding common IDE API,

ebresie — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:13:31 -0400

Regarding common IDE API, what about existing JSRs like JSR 198: A Standard Extension API for Integrated Development Environments or JSR 273: Design-Time API for JavaBeansTM JBDT. These are IDE specific and not application level, but still at least the development similarities might be a useful joining opportunity.

michaelhuettermann wrote:OK,

geertjan — Mon, 26 May 2008 10:56:09 -0400

michaelhuettermann wrote:

OK, you normally need some sort of IDE metadata. If this is the point .. why not unify these metadata over different IDEs?

Exactly. Right now, you can extend Eclipse by providing OSGi bundles, you can extend GlassFish by providing OSGi bundles, etc. The most common way of extending Java applications today is via OSGi. So why not make this possible for NetBeans and IntelliJ too?

maybe we speak about

michaelhuettermann — Mon, 26 May 2008 10:48:04 -0400

maybe we speak about something totally different ;-)

OK, you normally need some sort of IDE metadata. If this is the point .. why not unify these metadata over different IDEs? If I work in a project where developers are using different IDEs .. the most commonly used distribution unit is .. a jar respectively the source code itself.

geertjan wrote:

With NetBeans, you need more than a JAR. You need an NBM, which wraps the JAR, plus some metadata. With Eclipse, you also need more than a JAR. You need an OSGi bundle, which wraps the JAR, plus some metadata. With each product, there's something you need to wrap the JAR, plus some vendor-specific metadata. Hence, since OSGi is the most commonly used distribution unit, why not use OSGi in all cases?

With NetBeans, you need more

geertjan — Mon, 26 May 2008 10:22:44 -0400

jar ? geertjan

michaelhuettermann — Mon, 26 May 2008 08:44:48 -0400

jar ?

geertjan wrote:

@Michael: Yes, of course, use Java for reusable code. But how do you share it between different applications, e.g., between Eclipse and NetBeans? You need some kind of distribution format that is understood by both, as well as by IntelliJ. That would seem to be OSGi bundles. If my plugin for NetBeans contains business logic and external libraries that I could use in my IntelliJ or Eclipse plugin, it would be very cool if there was a shared distribution mechanism like that.

@Ian: Great to meet you too.

geertjan — Mon, 26 May 2008 08:04:31 -0400

@Ian: Great to meet you too. Sorry for the delayed response, was hoping more people would respond first. Hope to meet you again somehow!

@Toni: That would be cool. I'm sure there'll be some kind of OSGi interaction at some point.

@ James: I agree.

Geertjan,I do not think that

michaelhuettermann — Mon, 26 May 2008 07:40:27 -0400

Geertjan,

I do not think that OSGi is the golden hammer for all challenges .. and I do not agree that OSGi is everywhere .. From a Sun point of view the Glassfish topic is worthy of mention for sure .. but .. especially your IDE/business logic scenario .. why not simply use Java for reusable code?! Concerning OSGi I'm still asking myself what happens with JSR 277? If you talk about languages and different IDEs .. I would more focus on JSR 292 and additionally unify all those proprietary IDE vendor approaches (like Schliemann, GLF, ......).

Cheers!

Michael

What I got out of JavaONE:

jsugrue — Thu, 15 May 2008 05:51:05 -0400

What I got out of JavaONE:

OSGi gains momentum in the Java community
SpringSource is really taking off
If what goes into JavaFX mixes well with the core platform, we've got a bright future

Hi Geertjan: there's a

eppleton — Tue, 13 May 2008 12:49:37 -0400

Hi Geertjan: there's a resource in the wiki about what is needed to run NetBeans on OSGi. Maybe someone from the community could adopt this project, since sun employees "are not going to stop" us :-)?

Geertjan,It was fun to meet

ian skerrett — Mon, 12 May 2008 17:03:56 -0400

Geertjan,

It was fun to meet you in person at the Eclipse party.

I agree it was surprising and great to see the interest in OSGi. They year at the Eclipse booth we had a lot more people asking us about OSGi and Equinox. I just had to respond to this question:

Since the promise of OSGi is, among other things, extendability, one question to ask is: if NetBeans IDE does not (at least) produce OSGi bundles, what IDE will need to be used to extend GlassFish?

One potential answer is Eclipse. Glassfish is already running as OSGi bundles inside of Eclipse.

Ian