Javalobby - Comments for "Embarcadero Buys CodeGear for $23M: New Life for JBuilder?"

They changed focus

genadyb — Fri, 16 May 2008 16:11:23 -0400

They changed focus (Borland/Inprise, c++/java/delphi and the various java tools) too many times.

Pity...

It's a shame. A few years

wmac — Thu, 08 May 2008 04:41:58 -0400

It's a shame. A few years ago when they changed all their investement and focus toward java and JBuilder, I predicted these times. Their most important product was Delphi and it took them a long time to give Delphi 8 out after the successful delphi 7. It took them years before they can decide what they want to do about .NET. They thought win32 will die and they will not be able to compete with C#. At that time I looked at the stock and decided that I should no more continue with delphi.

Anyway I think they should go exactly the way MyEclipse goes. A subscription based quality Eclipse based java IDE which offers much more than Eclipse itself. However I am not sure if they have enough resources to compete with genuitec.

For their Delphi/C# etc platform I think they might be able to bring it up again (perhaps on win32/.NET and perhaps JVM), if they cannot they should rather make it open source (like netbeans, under their control and support). Their Delphi for Linux could have been open sourced. They should then open source every other product they can not maintain. Perhaps the community can do something.

JDeveloper has diverged so

jwenting — Thu, 08 May 2008 02:52:48 -0400

JDeveloper has diverged so much from JBuilder there's probably very little of the old JB 3 on which it is based left in there.

My guess is that Embarcadero wants the people rather than the products. Expect a major hack and slash soonish in the product line, with the remaining stuff being refocussed on specifically supporting other Embarcadero technology.

Well they still have

cfagan — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:20:18 -0400

Well they still have StarTeam, which is a competitor to Rational ClearCase/ClearQuest and some other enterprise class applications. They have been trying for years to get rid of their IDE division. Remember when they renamed themselves Inrpize? They were looking for a buyer back then too. The original JBuilder lives on as Oracle JDevloper and the new JBuilder is more of a customized Eclipse. I wish the people at CodeGear the best. It's got to be hard to work for a division that management has been trying to get rid of.

You're not far off. JBuilder

oravecz — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:11:03 -0400

You're not far off. JBuilder is a set of plugins for Eclipse already.

JBuilder 2008 Turbo is a free version and the next level is $475, and theEnterprise is $1,474. Maybe the next time I have to use Eclipse I'll d/l the turbo version as a starting point.

There is a feature matrix that compares the versions.

JBuilder has some nice

qweniden — Wed, 07 May 2008 13:08:45 -0400

JBuilder has some nice visual tools, but if I was its owner, Id rip them out and sell them as Eclipse plugins. Or do they already do that and Im unaware of it?

Hell, if I knew they would

oravecz — Wed, 07 May 2008 13:01:34 -0400

Hell, if I knew they would have sold it so cheap, I would of cracked open my piggy bank.

So, now this leaves Borland with, ummm, ahhh, hrrmm?

I see a new record low in our future.

I would very closely

okidoky — Wed, 07 May 2008 11:49:12 -0400

I would very closely integrate Atisan with code development using templates and a glue language so that you can easily tie in with J2EE, JPA, Hibernate, and any other POJO and DTO flavor with database development. I would see if I could exploit new techniques to exploit stored procedures.