Javalobby - Comments for "Nokia iPhone Killer to Have Java Inside"

I've seen some response to

fabriziogiudici — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:40:54 -0400

I've seen some response to this post from Rick, and some criticism about the usual and well known issues with J2ME, in particular doubts about the capability of J2ME to deliver the same user experience of a device of that class. Well, my shortly-said position is that I prefer to be able to freely develop on the device, without limitations and without learning a niche technology such as ObjC, even though I have to sacrifice a bit of the user experience. If my Treo 650 manages to survive to the end of the year and Nokia delivers in time the Tube will be my next phone.

Yeah, I heard that rumor

okidoky — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:38:17 -0400

Yeah, I heard that rumor too. Seems like it remains a concentrated cult (no offense), and fails to proliferate beyond Sun's labs. I could be wrong. IMO, it's missing something. It has the wrong vision.

Anyway, for it to work, it needs full Java, right? Otherwise you have J2ME with a Java2D addon. The path to full SE isn't far once you have Java2D I think. So the concentration should be on demanding fully featured SE Java (1.6+) on devices that are powerful enough. Modern gadgets are made for eye candy these days, so they ought to be able to provide enough power and storage for SE Java. No more J2ME...

Gadgets and mobiles are, or should be, pocket desktops. If you take all the plastic out of an Asus EeePC and put in a smaller screen, you'd have a nice little pocket desktop fully capable of running JavaFX, Eclipse, Netbeans, Firefox, Thunderbird, heck, JBoss even. LOL.

At last year's JavaOne

Spike — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:24:40 -0400

At last year's JavaOne conference there was a lot of hype about using a new product called JavaFX Mobile as a platform for mobile phones. Basically, it seemed like they were developing an iPhone-like OS to run on commodity hardware. Not sure if the new Nokias will be using this, or what...

Demand fully featured Java

okidoky — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:51:55 -0400

Demand fully featured Java 1.6+. No J2ME or 1.5 or below. Gadgets should just be like a desktop in your pocket now.

I wonder how Microsoft's Silverlight and Java are going to coexist...