Javalobby - Comments for "Microsoft wants to improve Eclipse"

Dear Ian Griffiths, MS

hkdennis2k — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:25:09 -0400

Dear Ian Griffiths,

MS absolutely know SWING, and they are absolutely not new to Java.

SUN and MS are already working eachother to imrpove SWING. It's one of the reasons why SWING become much faster on Windows than that before. It was started since JDK6/JDK7 development, I am not sure.

Anyway,
I hate L&F (especially file dialog), it is slow, fake, buggy, lost OS intergated feature, you may cannot see file name in your own lanauge.
After you paid all of these, you get a wonderful dialog "look like" the native one, without any adv. feature provided in the real native dialog.

I am thinking, are microsoft

hkdennis2k — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:08:17 -0400

I am thinking, are microsoft trying to learn something from SWT(with Java) to improve their WPF(with C#)?

And again, SWT vs. Swing, as always.

I choose SWT for sure.

There was a time where

gamby — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:06:59 -0400

There was a time where (almost) all IT entities followed Microsoft...

Finally, the time for Microsoft to follow has came.

I am no Flex expert, but

rhightower — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:48:23 -0400

I am no Flex expert, but isn't Flex Open Source now...??

http://www.flex.org

http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flex:Open_Source

JavaFX - Sun, open, free,

okidoky — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:58:11 -0400

JavaFX - Sun, open, free, cross platform
Flex - Adobe, closed, not free, partically cross platform
WPF - Microsoft, closed, not free, Windows only

Each own notion of what an "Omega Equilibrium" might be, combined with politics and strategy, leaves us with the choices. Surely, if one would take advantage of all the WPF features on the Windows platform, you'd be coding using visual studio and all their proprietary tools (and languages). I fail to see what value Microsoft bring us.

I am quite sure MS only has

rhightower — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:33:32 -0400

I am quite sure MS only has good intentions. :o)

SWT vs. Swing.... Why would they want to get involved in that?

I can only agree with

ig110026 — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:50:38 -0400

I can only agree with Microsoft's comment that "it just makes sense to enable Java on Windows". In fact that's what we've been doing the last twelve years, so I'm reassured that they have come to the same conclusion after all this time!

Obviously, as they are new to Java, they don't know yet that the standard and most used UI tool is Swing. I'm certain that when they discover this, they will invest heavily in helping the OpenJDK team improve the XP and Vista L&Fs so that they are indistinguishable from the original.

It is, of course, unthinkable that they may be investing in SWT to reignite the Swing vs SWT war that seems to have subsided recently. Perish the thought!

The simple perspective of

schroedinger — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 05:27:43 -0400

The simple perspective of Microsoft trying to improve something is, by itself, just frightening =O

Maybe they should look into

mary-joy — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:17:06 -0400

Maybe they should look into improving Visual Studio 1st.

Embrace, extend and

broneill — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:03:51 -0400

Embrace, extend and extinguish.

Vista motivated me to swtich

rhightower — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:24:00 -0400

Vista motivated me to swtich to Mac OS X. My primary development box is now a MacBook Pro as of about three weeks ago after struggling with Vista on my Sony VAIO for about six months.

My MacBook pro is the best laptop I have ever owned. I took my Sony laptop and installed Ubuntu on it (My Sony laptop is a lot faster now and now the Hibernate laptop feature actually works). I am a very happy Mac user.