What JavaFX Examples Do Developers Want to See?

 

The interesting thing to note here is that people want to use it for standard, office and enterprise, applications, rather than using it for fun stuff. 

 That's a shame because JavaFX is really targetting the fun stuff rather than the traditional desktop enterprise apps. Not that you can't do enterprisy things with just textboxes, buttons - just look at what html has done so far, but in terms of datagrids etc.. Sure Josh would say use Swing & JPA.

 What does 'Swing Intergration' mean? Swing in JavaFX rather pointless and boring, I mean what does JavaFX add to the components UX? (nothing - in fact it limits your jfx app to just desktop profiles) or using JavaFX from Swing/Java? - of far more interest to Swing developers, but mixing glossy rich jfx components with say Windows PLAF ones questionable..? Having a stable Scenegraph API for Java would be nice, possibly access to Decora (which I think is the only visual thing we can't do from Swing/Java2D) media access we already have - although the documentation is weak.

 Also surprised games came in so low - Looking at the huge sucess of the iPhone appstore I'd say mobile gaming ought to be one of the major targets for JavaFX - in fact mobile period is where JavaFX can offer the most benefits (over Swing/SWT/trad. Applets) and games are the bigest overall seller. 

 What so you take away from this poll? that developers dont want fun, noddy little RIA 'demos' they want serious, functional components and the ease automatic binding, validation might bring to they're coding instead?

 That's a shame because JavaFX is really targetting the fun stuff rather than the traditional desktop enterprise apps.
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What does 'Swing Intergration' mean? Swing in JavaFX rather pointless and boring
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Look to this example
http://jfxstudio.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/something-usefull/
this is Swing LAF integrated in JavaFX application


I mean what does JavaFX add to the components UX? (nothing - in fact it limits your jfx app to just desktop profiles)
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Look to this JavaFX example
http://jfxstudio.wordpress.com/2009/03/03/the-graphic-database-front-end/
Is it nice?

 
Also surprised games came in so low - Looking at the huge sucess of the iPhone appstore
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How much did you pay for fun'n'games? How much your boss pay to you for boring enterprise development?
Linus Torvalds worked just for fun many ears ago.

Good points Sergey. Initially when people think about JavaFX, or even look at the examples, we seem to think of the "fun, flashy" stuff. But for JavaFX to succeed it has to go futher. And just because it is used for the front end of a "standard" application, doesn't mean it has to be boring. I think that database frontend is pretty cool. More examples like that will show how JavaFX can fit nicely into the UI layer. James

I'm not sure that it's a choice of one or the other - I think it's capable of both. This article just deals with what the developers want to see from JavaFX.

The db app looks nice, but I can't help but wonder what embedding a JTable in JavaFX achives. How does this makeover make life any easier or pleasant for the user of the application? Did the client expressly ask that the UIs appearance should take prescience it's performance. In many ways the overlying of semi-transparency underneath list text makes it much harder to read and the user has to explore each widgets to discover their function (cant tell from looking). In UI design terms the usability has suffered and I'd hazard users would prefer a simple native-OS looking form.

Of course it isn't clear what this  example was trying to achive, just an attractive demo? or is it part of a kiosk interface? Dosent appear to function like a web page or standalone desktop app (ref locale toggle). Without the source it's hard to tell if the db access is all handled asynchronously off the EDT. Looking at the jar theres nearly 300 classes in that app? Think it'd be far easier to follow the Netbeans tutorial on JPA and knock up the same thing in far fewer lines of code, and a fraction of the time. Fundamentally with that interface theres nothing rich there, it's all easily duplicable in Swing. Given that the db app won't work in the JavaFX common profile - why use JavaFX at all? Use the right tools for the job ref http://twitter.com/joshmarinacci/status/1277257077.

In UI design terms the usability has suffered and I'd hazard users would prefer a simple native-OS looking form.

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I know. Most of users prefer command-line applications (joke)

 

Looking at the jar theres nearly 300 classes in that app?

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No. Classes like DerbyUIImages$23$3.class autogenerated by JavaFX compiler

Ask Sun about it

Like the majority of enterprise developers, I don't know nor care about Swing. Also, it's a pain fiddling around with CSS, JavaScript and JSTL. Flashy bouncing balls don't impress me. What I want to see is useful business UI components that are as rich as those of found in ex-GWT with real business benefits like DisplayTag in steroids that represent backend data. Let's wait and see what JavaFX 2.0 could offer.

Of course it isn't clear what this example was trying to achive, just an attractive demo? or is it part of a kiosk interface? Dosent appear to function like a web page or standalone desktop app (ref locale toggle). Without the source it's hard to tell if the db access is all handled asynchronously off the EDT. Looking at the jar theres nearly 300 classes in that app?