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It's not going to go anywhere as long as it's closed-source. Period.

Also what GUI's?, Swing is already deprecated, what a dumb idea of Sun to kill the best multiplatform GUI framework.

So how I could easily laid-out GUIs with automatic binding of views to models? if there is not gui anymore, Javafx sucks.

Java is done for the client side, period.

 

 

Java is(almost) 100% open-source, and Even Microsoft has been actively supporting Mono. They haven't always been but the fact is they are now. 

 At this day and age that you have to integrate entire universes written in different languages, yes, openness is a necessity for success. 

[quote=xymor]Java is(almost) 100% open-source, and Even Microsoft has been actively supporting Mono. They haven't always been but the fact is they are now. [/quote]

C# is nowhere near open source, Mono is irrelevant. I doubt that even 1% of .NET deployments would be on Mono.

Java had long been the market leader before it was opensourced.

[quote]At this day and age that you have to integrate entire universes written in different languages, yes, openness is a necessity for success.[/quote]

No, it is not. Specification preciseness, accuracy and stability are necessary. You may be able to maintain those with an open source implementation, or you may not. 

[quote=xymor]I agree, but anyone who has dealed with several proprietary software vendors trying to integrate diverse solutions know that most of the time, finding a software that has all those qualities is almost impossible[/quote]

The same for open source projects.

However if you look only for mature and maintained projects, it gets easier. No matter whether the project is proprietary or opensource. I think that more proprietary projects reach maturity than open source ones, but when already mature they probably all do have those qualities. To some extent, at least. It must be verified anyway.

Bugs do happen in both worlds, but I believe that more opensource projects are developed using the CADT model than proprietary ones.

[quote]With open-source in the worst case adapt the code to your needs, whatever that may be. That is a very powerful quality. Specification preciseness, accuracy and stability - for better or for worst, it's all in your hands to provide those things as opposed to relying on others to provide them.[/quote]

No, it's a myth, plain and simple.

Yes, that's what opensource advocates say, but starting a private fork of an opensource project means covering the costs of further source tree maintenance, at the very least. This may be acceptable for giant companies like Google but in the rest of the world, the world of tight budgets and lesser companies that don't have the perpetuum mobile profit generator Google has, it simply is not an option. For a single component it may seem a good solution, but a real project often uses more than 30 foreign components, now think about taking just ten components into own maintenance.

Depending on the size of the problem, it often pays better to work around the bugs or get rid of the component in question and write just the necessary bits in house. While it probably means that the budget will be exceeded, there's a better chance of avoiding a total disaster. The "opensource way" of "You can DIY" works only for trivial bugs in trivial projects.

I'm not telling not to touch the opensource. Some opensource software houses, like ASF, are more responsible and stable than many commercial companies, it's probably safe to depend on most of the components they provide. Taking some new shiny component from a company noone ever heard of or from a happy CADT bunch, that is asking for trouble.

If you're responsible for a project with a budget and a deadline, you have to be responsible about the dependencies as well and this means that you probably should choose only mature components that come from good, reputable software houses, opensource or proprietary, and never rely on whatever bullshit ESR wrote, to bail you out should you make the wrong choice.

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OtengiM, stop spewing what you read on someone else's blog last night.

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But... then teh intarnet would stop.

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